Furcation @furcation.org.uk Furcation, the original UK furry holiday park con. The one with the arcades and video games. Nov 2026 | Prepare... To: Press Start
https://furcation.org.uk/
Azakir Devaris @azakir.bsky.social Professional dragon, snuggles and shenanigans guaranteed! Amateur writer and escape room designer. Suit by @selkiesuits.bsky.social and banner photo by Zelandeth
@dreimvs.bsky.social @dreimvs.bsky.social 
Kallax/Snowy/Flynn ๐ BerkshireFurs SP, Pawsome, DW, Furcation @snowywolf.bsky.social Fox named after a piece of furniture ๐ฆ | 31 | He/Him/They/Them | Programmer | DJ
Icon: kwiateko.bsky.social
Socials: https://snowy.digital/furry-social
Motaro @motaro100.bsky.social This is Motaros account!
Wolf Fursuiter, Artist, Swedish, sometimes draws!
Dumping drawings on @motaroarts.bsky.social .
My twitter account is/was https://twitter.com/Motaro100 and now I will probably not post on that one anymore.
Gale @galethealpaca.bsky.social 30 | He/Him | Pan ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ | Floofy Alpaca | SFW and NSFW posts occasionally โค๏ธ
Darteri @darteri.bsky.social Internet-Kangaroo from Switzerland ๐จ๐ญ
Into photography, economics
๐งก๐ฆฆ @shiftyotter.bsky.social
๐No Minors
Support me on Ko-Fi: Darteri
Kittz @handle.invalid queer meower/woofer, funk spinner, shape thrower, game hoarder & noted snapback enthusiast.
enby (they/them), queer/pan, poly.
sometimes NSFW, 18+ only please <3~
mixcloud.com/kittz
Rusty ๐ก๐๐ @spacekalak.bsky.social Space-based maned wolf | Amateur quiz show host and puzzle writer | Suit: wildfoxworks.bsky.social / Mofumofu | Banner: vincehooves.bsky.social
Lupus Fulgur @lupusfulgur.bsky.social 23 | ฮธโ | Just here for a laugh
Muddy with a mic @muddythesmall.bsky.social So, basically, I am smol. But I am also puppy.
I also like making fun sounds :3
๐ชก: Me and ShovelSuits
Under 18 DNI.
She/They
Birthday cat! @chasethecat.bsky.social My stripes might look similar, but trust me, bro, Iโm limited edition! ๐พ
๐ 30. UK.
BF @anarchyrabbit.bsky.social โค๏ธ
Sometimes NSFW ๐ธ
Suit by: @radpandauk.bsky.social ๐ชก๐งต
LinkTree: https://linktr.ee/ChaseTheCat
๐๐พLeon Foxy ๐พ๐ @leonfoxy.anthrotainment.com 34 | He/Him โ | ๐ณ๐ฑ
Loving @seikabrazen.bsky.social all over! ๐
MultiSuiter ๐ฆ๐ถ๐บ
V-Tuber ๐น | Streamer ๐น
YT ๐ฌ | Twitch ๐ด
Hoodie_Fahcs @hoodie-fahcs.bsky.social They/Them pronouns
Fluffy Fox, Non-binary, Support Worker.
WH 40k and Yu-Gi-Oh Fan. Fursuit by Selkie Suits
โค๏ธMarried to @nubbins.bsky.social โค๏ธ
Tamari ๐ฆ @tamari.bsky.social Unofficial King of Wales ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ๐ 30s, Single. Brought to Life by Fursuits By Lacy ๐ฆ 18+
kuro @kurobatte.bsky.social ๐จ Artist | ๐ Goat | โ๏ธ ShovelSuits acolyte
Lโs Fursona ๐๐ (on that Death Note Musical hyperfixation) @thewolfienebula.bsky.social Dancer + artist. Certified character hoarder. Part-time sparklefox. Full-time werewolf. Occasional bird. Nuclear waste deer.
๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐ค๐บ29 ~ Transmasc Enby ~ They/He ~ Demi Bi-Gay ~ Polyam (taken) ๐ฆ๐๐ณ๏ธโ๐
Banner ๐ธ: Tazon Husky
Sylox ๐ ๐ WPAFW @sylox.bsky.social 35 | M | Gay | Single | DJ + music producer, podcaster, sports, macro trash, nerd. Fursuits: @twinkyarts.net and @sillytally.bsky.social
linktree: https://linktr.ee/sylox95
๐ DC Area
Pascal Farful - Looking for CFz Roommate ๐ @pascalfarful.bsky.social Raccoyote. Railway Enthusiast. Somehow an award-winning writer. 28. Occasional musician. He/Him. 18+ only, No Minors
Vaultus Bleatus ๐ Scotia ๐ NFC @vaultdeerb.bsky.social Fursuit maker and general silly deerb on the Internet. Happy go lucky. They/them/deerb. Will give licks for strawbs hit me up on telegram if you wanna chat @pupdizzie :p
@shimimanokit.bsky.social @shimimanokit.bsky.social 
Arkie๐ธ ๐ Furrific @soulsilveriv.bsky.social ๐๐ธ Trans Rights are Human Rights! ๐ธ๐
SFW โข She/Her โข Demi/Sapphic โข ๐ฌ๐ง
Dragon ๐ฒ โข Vet โข Artist โข Dancefur โข Smells like candy ๐ฌ
Taken by my beautiful fish wife Bebu since 07/06/2024 ๐๐ฉต
PFP: @lilnoodledragon.bsky.social
Banner: @adulariatricera.bsky.social
Cris.py โก๏ธNFC @crispydwagon.bsky.social cat-dragon, kemono, 31, ๐ธ๐ฎ, single, SFW only!!
manager, finances, cooking, cars, music, nerd stuff :3
linktr.ee/cris.py_dwagon
Strange ๐ Club Animalz @strangey.bsky.social call me Strange! ๐ he/him ๐ corgsky ๐บ unserious ๐ BRI ISH
lewd idiot (paws๐พ/gunge๐ซ/see more instore)
@gotloaf on the bird app
๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ฌ๐งFlame_The_Wolf๐ฆ๐บ @flameboy621.bsky.social UK goober | amateur photographer | He/Him | 23 | Happily Married sins 29/6/2024 |
Booker @bookerofwit.bsky.social 30 Pine marten/Collie dancer
He/Him
Saxxon - @maxxtheshibe.bsky.social
Mask - @hobber.co.uk + @kurobatte.bsky.social
Liamm ๐BerkshireFurs SP, Pawesome, Furcation @liammthecat.bsky.social ๐ค 25 | he/she/they | london ๐ฌ๐ง | cat ๐ฑ | tech ๐ฅ๏ธ | dj ๐ง | 18+ followers only, may be NSFW | suit maker: @dragonsdsgn.bsky.social ๐ค
Garth ๐ Furc, Scotia, CFz @garthwolf.bsky.social ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ Gay aro wolfpup (he/him)
๐ฌ๐ง East of England / 24
๐ถ Aka Carter the Boston terrier
๐ชก Garth made by @sodayeena.bsky.social
๐ธ furtrack.com/user/JamieTheMagpie
๐ @carterpup.bsky.social
Scotiacon 2027: Massive in the Metropolis @scotiacon.bsky.social In 2011 we became Scotland's first ever furry convention. In 2027 we're back to make our biggest impression yet!
Our Next Event: 5th-8th February 2027
Theme: Massive in the Metropolis
px ๐โจ @pixelpixel.cat Px = pixel! cat from the north (he/him) ๐
Journeying with @fenn-boy.bsky.social ๐
๐จ:kerpe.bsky.social
Fractis @fractis.bsky.social Fractis makes perfect | 18+ | 22 | Full time fox, part time cat
LondonFurs @londonfurs.bsky.social A community of creative artists, costumers, and fans of anthropomorphic animals. We host bi-annual seasonal events too!
No support provided in DMs, please use our support site:
https://links.londonfurs.org.uk
hobber @hobber.co.uk Takes photos, some times makes other things.
Looking for Photos? https://t.me/hobtography
Snickers @snickersthesnek.bsky.social Male || 27 || Oxford
Very into real tennis, board games, and video games. Trying to get more involved with furry community.
Pfp by @Roxirin
Badger ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ @badgercode.bsky.social ๐ 2027 Plans: Scotiacon, NFC, Confuzzled
๐ฆก Badger, Badger; Badger.
๐ค Sometimes Protogen
โค๏ธ Taken @honeyfolf.bsky.social
๐ฌ And they're both boys ๐ฑ
๐ https://badgercode.furrcard.com/
๐ Nottingham, UK
โน๏ธ He/him, 30s, software developer
Eusine aka Piily @sunsetpiily.bsky.social โฎDancer | Dog Trainer | Dickheadโฎ
โข Piily/Blimm โข 23 โข He/They/It โข Ace โข ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ in ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ โข
Blimm ๐ชก Feather of Pheonix
PfP๐ธ Dominik Bunny
Cvr๐ธ Dragoshi
Panriel, that otter dancer @faolanpanriel.bsky.social 34 |โ๏ธ|โ๏ธ| Single | Writer | Dancer | Teacher | Witch | Pokรฉmon Master | I make stone jewelry! | Open for commissions!
Sorbet๐จ @sorbet-core.bsky.social โจ๏ธGolden Shepโจ๏ธ
๐จBorn in the 80s, shaped by the 90s, and living life like a Saturday morning cartoon ever since!๐จ
๐ชก @pawssiblechaos.bsky.social ๐งก
๐งก My CharlieBug ๐
Amri @amridoggo.bsky.social Species confused doggo. ๐ ( ๐ฆ). From Sweden ๐ธ๐ช but lives in UK๐ฌ๐ง
Looks kinda stupid. Is kinda stupid. He is bit scruffy, probably has fleas. Still a Good boy. Chaotic useless. Single and lvl 33.
๐พ ๐ฎ โจ๐ and other things....
18+ Account
Laney ๐ฆ @laney.gay Hey yโall - Laney Deer (he/him) ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ โ software engineer
LankySรธlv โก๏ธ๐ก @lankysolv.lgbt Ashley! | henlo | am fox | 27 | Photographer | Minnesotan | ๐บ๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ง | She/Her | ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐น | Married! @flameboy621.bsky.social ๐ | 18+ |
https://linktr.ee/crazyash99
Cashmere! @cashmereandlime.bsky.social Llamaram. Sometimes red panda.
they/them pronouns. ๐ฎ๐ช in ๐ณ๐ด
I write hypno smut, and I might hypno you :>
18+ only please
In my 30s
Avatar by @venicedogs.bsky.social
Ashdon Husky @ashdonhusky.bsky.social ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ II He/Him II Planes & Space ๐|| Partnered to @CygnisFox.bsky.social || RIP @Dogbomb1 || Justice, Fairness and Equality for all. BLM.
Meeko @meekotooth.bsky.social Dumb Saber // Rope Kitty // Wannabe Weeb //๐ // Film Snob // Demands Pets and/or String // ๐ชก: alphadogs.bsky.social
Corasik Skarpeklรธr ๐ Aberacon @corasik.com Male Sabrewolf, Loves wolves & werewolves, Sabretooth Cats and more!,
RandDFursuits fursuiter.
Coryn @corynscreech.bsky.social An Owl who loves Adventure!
31 | Christian | Gay | Furry | Dancer | Games Designer | Nerd
Fursuit by Kiwifuzz
Jakeyboiii @jakeyboiii.bsky.social he/him, 23
might be a furry
Arrimow the Mow Mow mow @arrimow.bsky.social Instigator of shenanigans. A furry cisguy who swims a lot and likes to learn languages. Also a bit of a musician. Pronouns He/Him. Mroaw
Suits by @thekareliafursuits.com and @neonpawcreations.bsky.social
๐งก @wolverines.bsky.social ๐
Fin/Amityโจ๐ @ittybittygremlin.bsky.social Finley/Amity / 24 / She/Her / Robyn ๐โโฌ ๐/ ๐ @kyethehusky.bsky.social ๐ / UK ๐ฌ๐ง / Sometimes I make things / pfp by NovaLoux
=โฏ Ink โฏ= @inkstudios.bsky.social โโโโโโก๐ฅ Ink ๐ฅโกโโโโโโ
โฏ Lvl 26 โฏ BG Artist @ BentoBox โฏ๐@Spyn404๐โฏAll opinions are my own โฏSlow at replyingโ ๏ธ
ConFuzzled @confuzzled.org.uk The UK's largest furry convention. 28th May - 1st June 2027, ConFuzzled XXTREME Racing. www.confuzzled.org.uk
Reg question? Please email registration@confuzzled.org.uk
Cerri @cerrifox.bsky.social 30, Fennec Fox - I'm all ears~
Devilish little creature.
Dara โค๏ธ๐ช @daratomic.bsky.social ๐ชโค๏ธ Cookie-Loving Atom Dragon! โค๏ธ๐ช
โก๏ธ Level 23
๐ถ DJ/Producer
โ๏ธ Fursuit by @firedogfursuits.bsky.social
๐ผ @purpleninfy.com
๐ I'm not dating the big ass dandelion
PR Wolf @theprwolf.bsky.social Weird Wolf-Rabbit thing. Married ๐@grabbyhanded.bsky.social Photographer/YouTuber
Hoping to make people smile!
pfp @wryote.bsky.social banner IG@/probably_bisquite Suit @asterfallow.bsky.social
Jonnyawsom3 @jonnyawsom3.bsky.social 22, British, living down South
Gone to most LondonFurs meets since 2022
Works on JPEG XL. Will compress your files and optimise your images.
data:image/jxl;base64,/wraEAUqAQgYEABQAEs4QdmtFzQ5PH8B68IZEEiQ4ABj
^ Enter as a URL in a browser
Often NSFW
Unyora ๐ @wiggl.ing Soft dragon extraordinaire ๐โผ๏ธ he/they
๐จ: @theangeldragon.bsky.social
DUNE! ๐ข @dunebarks.bsky.social SHE/HER โบ 25 โบ tomboy wolfdog โบ ฮฮ
2D & 3D ARTIST โบ FURSUIT MAKER โบ GAME ART GRAD > MEDICAL ADMINISTRATOR
Art Commissions Closed
โค๏ธ @geferon.net โค๏ธ
Mojo Coyote @mojo.yop.dog โจSoftware Engineer ๐ป and ๐บ coyote that loves ๐ nature, โ๏ธ coffee and๐ธ Mojitos, ๐ค cuddles, and โ๏ธ traveling the ๐ world! ๐๐ผโโ๏ธENFJ-A
Followers strictly 18+ only! ๐ Expect fursuit related posts! ๐
๐Zurich, Switzerland ๐จ๐ญ
๐ฒWoodland Griff Adventures๐ฒ @woodlandgriff.bsky.social The adventures of Noah the Woodland Gryphon! Fursuit by @wintershowling.bsky.social
25 years old
๐ฆ : @WoodlandGriff
โOften NSFWโ
HoneyFolf @honeyfolf.bsky.social 32/M โข Field Service Engineer โข Plushie Enthusiast โข Soft, cuddly and gentle โข honeyfolf.carrd.co
auburn the goat @auburnthegoat.com auburn the goat
auburnthegoat.com
Maritime search & rescue
I live in Japan ๐ฏ๐ต (GMT+9) ๐
Dally Doggo @dallydoggo.bsky.social I'm Dally! ๐โ๐ฆบ || Furry Artist / Musician ๐ต || Fursuiter ๐งต || Runescape Nerd & Rocket Main โ ๐ || Oh yeah, and paws! ๐พ || ๐ Party Dog ๐
๐๐๐๐๐๐
Socials: https://dallydoggo.carrd.co/
Shovel @aaaaaaaa.bsky.social Maned wolf friend | DnB enjoyer | Negligent fursuit father | A
โฅ๏ธโฃ๏ธJae / Blackjackโฆ๏ธโ ๏ธ @blackjackcreations.bsky.social โง Jae โง 24 โง They/Them โง
๐ซANTI-AI ๐ซ
โ๏ธComms: CLOSEDโ๏ธ
โง Commission Prices:
blackjackcreationsprices.carrd.co
โง Fursuiting/Personal Account:
@puppyblackjack.bsky.social
โง About Me/Other Socials:
ghostyjae.carrd.co
๐ฑSophie/Cookie๐ช๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐ ๐ฏ๐ต ๐น๐ญ @cookiesophie.bsky.social ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ 26, she/they/it๐ฑ pan/demi ฮฮ๐ฑ 3D/2D artist, masters graduate, working on #BladeFerret ๐ฑ Sonic Fan ๐ฑ ASD ๐ฑ cat/ferret/smol bunny ๐ฑ CFz Events team ๐ฑ 18+, but not NSFW
pfp: @cleareclair.bsky.social
๐ = Mimi posting
https://sophieleblanc.carrd.co
Hexyc @hexyc.com I'm sixy and I know it
hexyc.com
Natty @bambooped.bsky.social Iike the red panda from twitter but now more chaotic and unfiltered ๐ - loving @confuseddeer.bsky.social every day
๐
๐๐จ๐จ๐ ๐๐น๐๐ฒ๐ณ๐ผ๐
(He/Him ๐จ๐ฆ) @jessebluefox.bsky.social Silly fox who loves making others happy ๐ฉต
Dancer ๐บ | Photographer ๐ธ | Hiker ๐ป
Gay, 30s ๐๐ณ๏ธโ๐
๐ชก@pyropecostumes
โค๏ธ@floofyflynn
NSFW occasionally
Jev ๐ Rushmoor Pride, Pawsome @jevthefox.bsky.social 35 year old fox/pup/bab from south east England.
Loves retro tech, trains, photography, and long walks.
He/she/they/it, pan, poly, taken/owned by @kittysam.bsky.social (open)
18+ Horny on main account (NSFW posts will be tagged)
4/20 friendly
Diapered 24/7
Dracorum Order ๐ ๐งง @dracorumorder.bsky.social That punny fire dragon who does furry photography, envelopes, cursed arts, and bodypainting | ๐ | Both SFW + NSFW arts expected
S. Brushtail ๐ฆ๐พ @sandybfox.bsky.social Fursuiter๐ฆ | โ๏ธ (Him/He)| ๐ฌ๐ง| Ice Hockey๐| Wrestling๐๏ธ| Bassist๐ธ| Photographer๐ธ| Trekkie๐| Mini Painting ๐ | Buddhist Cosmology โธ๏ธ
๐น https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEi20EHvrlSz-DdEhYYC2eA
๐ธ https://www.furtrack.com/user/Sandy_Brushtail/uploads
Shovel makes suits ~ @shovelsuits.com ๐พ Hobbyist, for-charity fursuit maker
[Commisions closed]
Diego the Wolf @diegothewolf.bsky.social 
Matrix Husky ๐ฌ๐ง @matrixhuskyuk.bsky.social IT Engineer. UK, Bristol
Furry 18+
Matrix v1 Kodimade
Matrix v2 Made By Mercury @madebymercury.bsky.social
Twitch Streamer: Twitch.tv/MatrixHuskyUK
Deputy Head of Logistics at Furcation @furcation.bsky.social
Tygron๐ธ ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ (looking for 2 FBL roommates) @tygronsaber.bsky.social He / Him | Gay ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ | Music & Video Producer | Saber-Toothed Tiger Dragon | @/deeryeen's Brother | Gamer | DJ | ๐ | Single | pfp by @unapanthera.bsky.social
Ras-B @rascallybandit.bsky.social Cozumel Island Raccoon, suiter, synth musician (sphatika.bandcamp.com). Furries Of Music Charity CD compiler. Scotiacon Events Crew. Avatar by DaiCymru. Header by Dracorum Order.
Kiri/Lapis @kirieagleblaze.bsky.social 26 // Furry/Brony from Kent, UK ๐ฌ๐ง
ABDL content ๐ผ
Pansexual // He/They ๐๐๐
Both SFW and NSFW, Minors DNI ๐
(NSFW re/posts will be tagged.)
โค๏ธ @wingsandtalon.bsky.social โค๏ธ
Steam Code: (Ask before adding)
KiriBlaze - 208567374 ๐ฎ
VRChat: KiriEagle
Raven @renegadeshowl.bsky.social Raven l 31 l He/Him l Photographer l WintersHowling suiter
Tanner Hyena @tannerhyena.bsky.social M / 31 / I do the music's / Just a yeen / ๐ NO MINORS
Banner (c) @felitechlabs over on Telegram, PFP (c) EPaw Art
Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/tannerhyena
Bandcamp: https://tanner-hyena.bandcamp.com/
Osian Wolf @osiwolf.bsky.social Furry and partial fursuiter, thirty something years old from the uk, happily taken by zionlion. Can be NSFW 18+ ONLY
Todd Aldrington @athleteraccoon.bsky.social The peaceful raccoon in your game just living his life. Furry, gay, writer of furry books, pretty good runner. He/him. Icon @tsaiwolf, banner @feyridi
TacoTeko @tacoteko.bsky.social 
Miles Husky @mileshusky.bsky.social Iโm a 35 year old husky! Gay, single tech geek that loves Sonic, beer and public transport. Member of LondonFurs and BrumFurs.
Pyro @pyrofusky.bsky.social 
Dexter @dexterdoggy.bsky.social Manchester IRL Doggo - He/Him | 34 | Demi | Taken | Dancing, Minigolf, Video & Board Games 
Harry ๐พ๐ @harryhusky.bsky.social A husky trying to get by in this crazy world! Crafter - Twitch Streamer - DJ - YouTuber - Photographer - Video maker- Music producer. Check out my music over at @harrysworldmusic.bsky.social! ๐
Spam like = ๐ซ Blocked
New Furizons @newfurizons.bsky.social Cooperative furry dance event showcasing the best of the community from the UK and beyond | ๐จSep 23, Factory Project Liverpool๐จ | By Furs, For Furs ๐ ๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
Salem @salembat.bsky.social ๐ฆ! 28, M, He/Him, Fursuit maker๐ชก-- @red_crocodile_creations Instagram
No AI "art"
Waffles @kitzen-waffles.bsky.social // Hobbiest fursuitmaker
// Puro was made in collaboration with @lexybytes
// Sfw
Lexy ๐ Scotia, NFC @lexybytes.bsky.social Hi, I'm Lexy! This place needed more cats!
๐๐พ Part-time cat
๐๐ป Embedded software engineer
๐๐งต Dabbling in fursuit making
Crikey @crikeycroc.bsky.social Croc, usually found at London Fur Meets. โStealer of suits, if it fits, Iโll wear itโ. 18+ only
Latimer: Doggo Express! @latimer.dog โข ๐ train dog train dog โข ๐ Promoting greener travel
โข very cuddly, rapidly approaching your location
โข Cover: hikari โข Icon: solcunha03
๐บ๏ธ Huntingdonshire โข en_GB โข latimer.dog
Lee Folf @leefolf.bsky.social 26 | ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ | Dork | Huggo & Treat Accepter! | Taken! (open)
๐ 6 Years | Professional Screm Heccer!
t.me/Welsh_Folf99
๐คJae๐ค @ghostyjae.bsky.social 25 โ East England โ Taken โ SFW/Suggestive โ MDNF๐
Art Acc: @blackjackcreations.bsky.social
https://ghostyjae.carrd.co
Polo (it/its) -> EF @polothepup.uk ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ | 22 | Golden retriever go brrrrrr | ฮฮ | Violist ๐ป + Photographer ๐ธ| 18+ to follow
The Radiant Pack ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ @radiantpack.life Suspected DID system; been referred for a diagnosis March 2026 following mental health issues.
Main Host: Darkmane
Other Prominent Alters: Ray, Zephyr
Business: 0330 043 0502
#HumanRightsForAll
Soju cat ๐ NFC, FE @melon-mow.me Meow meow! ๐ณ๐ด, travel cat, camera cat, web dev cat! Lukewarm takes at best. 28.
Doin my best to deserve @ferrix.bsky.social ๐
I make con vids: https://youtube.com/@melon_mow
I also made https://yiffer.xyz (๐, duh)