Brett Meiselas @bmeiselas.bsky.social · Nov 20 You don’t have to subject yourself to slurs and Russian bot farms in order to understand “different perspectives” actually
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So then why isn’t Dean on Truth Social? Why isn’t he engaging on 4chan? Why is it just X that we *have* to be on to understand people? And no, they are NOT “half of the country.”
I’m not interested in “debating” with someone who A) has no interest in considering my view point B) has a moral compass so far in the gutter that to call them deplorable garbage is being nice and C) truly only wants to talk to me so they can figure out how to insult me. No thanks, I’m good.
"Pay attention to me!" screamed the twat into the void.
You can't convince uninformed bigots of anything....
It’s the abuser who thought you would never leave saying please don’t go…
Magas want to discuss what is a worthy human life and we are done having that asinine discussion. Debating people’s humanity shld be beneath all of us. The point of government is to make their citizens’ lives better (social contract & all) not rate us on a 1-10 worthy of living scale in the yr 2024
Debate????? I tried to convert MAGA in 9 years. I got through to 1 guy. No. Let it burn 🔥
No thanks.
I'd rather eat my shorts after taco night.
I don't hang with Russian bootlickers.
There is no debating with a maga, one side has to listen in a debate.
Hmm he is right! Absolutely correct you need to discuss not shut everything down because you have other ideas. Why I am here.
Engage debate....don't you mean accept harassment, abuse and hate? No thanks.
Since 2015 I've been listening to magic side. I don't need to continue listening to it and I'm not going to so x can go you know where.
It's clear that Musk & Putin/Trump are quite concerned about millions of Americans LEAVING Putin/Trump/Musks' right-wing MAGA controlled X disinformation platform & fleeing to Blue Sky where the Russian / right-wing/Neo-Nazi trolls have less freedom to post disinformation. Truth can defeat Fascism.
There isn’t a chance they are interested in « debating. »
We already know their perspectives. That’s why we left.
Hmmm
First they bash you, then they miss you. Meanwhile Musk spent 44 billion on a loss making toy that had its peak, helped to get Trump elected and nears its expiry date.
We tried . We are done with y'all.
The fact that he doesn't realize X is an echo chamber is all you need to know.
Productive discussion requires both good faith participation and an agreed upon shared reality. That guy seeking debate joins in neither good faith participation, nor a shared reality.
Brett, Maga has no "debate" skills. They rely on vulgarity, racism, bigotry, name calling, threats, and disinformatin. All because Trump made it normal.
Just think of it as a Conscious Uncoupling.
“Engage in some debate” as if the people there are remotely interested in a good faith debate
“You have to learn different perspectives!” Their perspective: *I want to mass deport millions of people, Haitians are eating pets, Jews run the world, America is for whites only, I love daddy Vladdy Putin*
Word. Does the fact that I agree with you make me part of the echo chamber?🤣
Twitter is in no way an accurate reflection of society. It is all filtered and distorted to please Mush and promote Trump. Just look at how much anti-Trump posts are being throttled compared to those same posts on Bluesky. Twitter is blatant information warfare.
Did they talk like this when MAGA went to "Truth" Social?
He is a disgusting person. First ran as Biden was too old. Now saying he is “open” to a Trump position.
We have been exposed to their world view (anti-LGBQ, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant) and facts like moral character and criminal history does not matter in how they choose a leader. We know and understand. One does not need to tolerant intolerance to understand intolerance to be short and sweet.
Russian bot farms, and Musk bot farms. Didn't kids yourself into thinking he wasn't sprouting bots by the thousands.
I have no problem speaking with common sense Republicans. I refuse to waste my time on the MAGA cult. X is owned by a MAGA cult memeber.
Interesting when you change your name from Eliza to Eli on X and hide your face..it's still vile but.. the misogynists aren't interested in replying
In my experience they have nothing worth while to say anyway, it’s just the same hateful attempt to belittle others over and over again. Good riddance!
Leave it to Moron Dean Phillips to have this take. SMDH. #BlockMaga Keep Bluesky friendly!!
What a dk
MAGA just doesn’t get it. The policy differences are one thing, let’s discuss. But the bigotry, racism, and their support of a liar, conman, rapist is another. They could have said no to all that in the primary’s, but didn’t. Spare me.
We tried. Aggressively. And the ‘majority’ still didn’t listen.
Nope!
I cant stand their idiotic thoughts. I cant even bear to read MTGs initials. Maga, religion, flat earthers, chem trails, why fuck your day listening to them?
So weird, wtf is he talking about? There will be the same type of people on both platforms. Just won't have the absolute disaster that is the premium blue checkmark system. A lot of it is completely apolitical. It's just spam from scam bots that destroy any ability to see real responses.
“Engage in some debate” isn’t what happens over there unless you consider debate being called a retarded cunt and I hope you die. Ok Dean. Thanks for reminding me why I can’t stand you.
Ask them to define debate in their own words… That will immediately shut ‘em down and up
"Engage in debate" But both sides have to be willing to understand another point of view and, well, we've seen how that goes on there.
Why is the onus always on the Left to extend the the olive branch? Democrats expend so much time and energy on trying to understand the psyche of right-wingers, yet they don’t care to meet us where we are. When they call for Unity, what they really mean is the left to submit and be obedient to them.
This guy is the new Jill stein
What was X doing to us? The bots and MAGATs were abusing us. I do not need or want abuse.
Plus the updated tos at twitter suck...
I reached my point of intolerance… I have heard reach across the aisle, extend your hand, give understanding to the “other side” directed to the leftist - you know the elites. WTF! I am sick of this shit.
Hey Dean 😲📣
Ugh, this guy again?
And they are not interested in debating different perspectives. Just spewing their hate and lies. No thank you.
It occurs to me that I don't have to smell every dog turd to know it stinks.
I agree with the post about X, not Brett. Avoidance just makes for dumber people.
Right? I have heard all the legitimate different perspectives already from principled conservatives back when the GOP possessed a modicum of self-respect and sanity. There are perspectives, and then there are facts- chief among which is there are NOT “good people on both sides” if one side is Nazis!
"Our gross moral ineptitude and unwillingness to share a reality with our peers has driven them away. Why can't they see that refusing to sanction our behavior will only make us more insane?" What even is this kind of logic?
Damn straight- even my dogs account was filled with vitriol! How can you get mad with a Golden Retriever for gods sake? Look at this face!
The audacity to say "learn different perspectives", like it's not going to be followed by a far-right meme and some colorful slurs the moment I make a counter-point.
I don't want to know what they think. I don't care. I know it's wrong and revolting. That's all I need to know.
Uh, hard no.
We've been remiss in allowing this behavior for far too long at this point. Shunning them proves the point.
There is no meaningful exchange to be had with a bigoted cult.
The far right is not complicated. We understand them. We do not negotiate with terrorists.
Indeed. “Having an open mind” doesn’t mean having a hole in your head.
If they only understood the word debate. Name-calling is not a debate.
Yup! Another perspective for Mr. “Dean Phillips,” is that I & most of the world don’t live in that shit country so we don’t need to listen to the 76 million absolutely vomit-inducing losers who spew hatred for kicks
He’s such a condescending ass. Go wag that finger at Truth Social, Deano.
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We’re constantly exposed to the “differing perspectives” of the right wing whether we like it or not. They’re not exactly shrinking violets. There’s no need to stay on Twitter and get insulted, sworn at and lied to on purpose.
The problem isn’t us not understanding their perspective, it’s THEM not understanding OURS.
We know their talking points, they're everywhere. We don't have to put up their nonsensical trolling.
No, Dean. I don't think I will.
I don't need to immerse myself in a river of shit to learn it stinks...I can stand at a distance and come to the same conclusion. We can gather other POVs from a distance and not swim in xitter's rivers of shit.
When you can’t even post about a simple day on the beach without getting slammed, no thanks. Constant criticism isn’t critical thinking.
It’s not so much fleeing X as it is letting Elon know we don’t approve of his bizzaro antics with Trump. The less we are on X, the more advertising funds he loses, and as a billionaire, you hit him in the pocket book so he gets it. However, I do understand your point on debate.
THE SALES PITCH FOR X: ” Sure we have QAnon, fascists, racists, literal Nazi, KKK and whatever else… but there’s value in staying to make your voice heard to the bots. UNLESS it’s something Elon dosent like.” This feels like they’re waking up to the reality of X becoming irrelevant.
…. Perfect. He didn’t address absolute jack shit about bots… And show of hands, who’s trying to learn the perspective of a Nazi or a KKK member? Is that a value to anyone?
"Huh? Everyone's leaving and giving us our own little echo chamber to shamelessly fellate each other? Fuck that. Let's go over there!" More proof that the only policy that cons have is making the other side miserable.
we've seen the different perspectives, we say fuck no and fuck off. Ban/mute/block is what i say
As they say… Never wrestle with a pig because you'll both get dirty and the pig likes it. You can’t change the mind of a maga.
For the 1 or 2 serious debaters that may pop up, there's 300 calling people libtards and woke and deranged with mental illness while hocking crypto and selling overpriced memorabilia talking about America, yet made in China. It's just not worth the frustration...lol.
They've got Truth Social, they've got X, they've got Gab and Parler and Telegram. They can romp around there, in their very own big little Berchtesgaden. Avaricious little fuckers, aren't they?
Some asshole outta Lake Minnetonka coastal elite; sit down, Dean.
Traitor to DFL (in MN) and DNC as recently interviewed by a biased Channel 5 ABC affiliate At Issue political pundit who mimicked Phillips by declaring Democratic party is in a shambles & he was right to go against President Joe Biden. Dean's in it for promoting his business & to capitalize himself.
So what was “Lies” Social all about then?
Turns out…
I don’t engage with people willing to kill my daughters and grandchildren.
Republicans are only 23 percent of the country not half
Yeah fk that place.
Exactly. Someone advising me to shave my head to get ready for the gas chamber or telling me to “get over it” gives me all the perspective I need to understand what the other side's all about.
He meant to say... Please stay and be our whipping post.
I'm sorry, tired of being called a whore and threatened with rape every 3-5 seconds on X.
Dont need to be cussed out by the alpha maga bros continuously
Half the country isn’t on X Dean. Most ppl aren’t.
I think people are done "debating " with Russian bots.
By 'engage in some debate' they mean 'sit there and keep your mouth shut while I regurgitate some shit I read half-drunk on a conspiracy blog'
Pretty sure we've seen enough and all they do on X is lie and spew garbage. Not much to be missed
Phillips is propagating a logical fallacy called a false equivalence. It's equating that leaving Twitter(I'll stop dead naming when Musk does) to avoid hatred and false information is the same as not letting people you don't like play your game. The right projects and that is their way.
The privacy issue, ads, porn, misinformation, bots, and downright racist bullshit is all they have on X. They can keep it.
Don't need another 4 years to understand their perspective, attack, bully, be disrespectful and start a fight. In other words act like a juvenile delinquent in middle school.
And when I don’t cave to your perspectives I get tossed, right? I see you.
Having a battle of wits with an unarmed person is an exercise in futility.
You cannot debate liars and stupid people.
The reason Dean Phillips’ campaign failed is because he kept telling the people who might consider him that they’re stupid.
One thing we will never have to worry about is secret opinions from within the right.
it would be ok to stick around and engage in some debate if it was with actual humans.
No trying to reason with brainless voters got us here. They aren’t going to change their minds until they lose snap, ss, medicare and they can’t buy food.
Some of us actually talk to people who have different points of view, or work with people who voted for Trump, and read conservative media. If they engaged respectfully on Twitter we'd still be there. Instead we chose sanity.
F them and their perspectives
lol they're crying, "Wait, come back! Don't leave us with each other!"
Been there done that for eight long years, there is no there there as far as finding common ground.
Right on. There is a nice mix of opinions here. X is Russian propaganda. Who wants to see that crap when you are merely signing in to look at what interests you? Bluesky works for me.
Will you walk into my parlour?' said the Spider to the Fly." No thanks. It's funny, Which people are shocked about the pedo party called a cabinet and the other announcements about what an import tax does? Maybe THEY need to listen to their party more closely.
Dean Phillips is a 🤡
I’ve waited for the debate in the form of “I like his tariff plan because this expert said it would work” or “ I love his idea of nuking the dept of ed and here is why”. Never once have I come across that so why bother?
For real. I lived around them, I'm surrounded at work by them. Why do i need to be subjected to it on social media to understand them? Should I move back to where I grew up so i can really be embedded? I don't get the hand wringing by so many. It's OK to pick people you want to be around.
From my soul—fuck him. He started so much of the discord with Biden and I truly cannot forgive him.
Engaging! With maga’s is what got me booted off of X 😂😂😂
They make fun of the handicapped, and the wounded. The insult those that stand up for those that cannot stand up for themselves. They are the most hateful group of people I've ever seen. Nah, Im gonna watch them get exactly what they asked for. No respect, no engagement.
X is now just an extension of “Truth”. Shame, Twitter was great but now it really rally isn’t.
Notice they never tell us to go to Truth Social to understand the world.
Besides I thought they wanted Libs gone. So we left. Why do they get to live in their echo chamber of Truth Social, Facebook, X, Threads and Instagram and all we have is Blue Sky and they're upset. They're upset because they have no one to argue with and make fun of.
I don't want to engage in a debate where they voted for a pedophile. The buck stops there with me. DT raped kids. If that is acceptable to you then great. I want nothing to do with anyone who supports a pedophile. You voted for hate and for my SS to be taken away. I don't want to debate you.
I don't need to swim in a sewer to know it's toxic. His point is even dumber though...if people are "fleeing" X it's because they have experienced it and have decided it's no longer worth it. X isn't a place for honest discourse. It's a troll farm that we can still view without engaging with it.
As I keep joking, MAGA doesn't even try to talk to the left. They just say and do whatever they want from THEIR uninformed bubbles. And lot of the Dems who leaned right lost, including Harris. Thanks, but I don't need to hypocritically get called a paedo to "understand" the right. 🙄
You nailed it.
I appreciate divergent and contradictory opinions and don’t mind trolls—I’ve been on the internet for over 30 years. However, I cannot support a platform that manipulates information and algorithms to push a political agenda. That’s why I decided to cancel my Twitter account.
Ya, I get enough numpty MAGAts while I'm on FB. Bluesky is wonderful! SO damned glad that Meidas Touch Network is here!!!
What kind of perspective would lead anyone to believe that an unrepentant criminal rapist would make a good president?
Dean Phillips is very wealthy. Now it is time for ordinary millionaires to bend a knee to the oligarchs. Can’t blame them I guess, they want to keep their wealth.
And what exactly is the different perspective I need to understand? That lgbtq parents like myself are evil groomers? That “illegal immigrants” are the cause of every problem? Vaccines and education are demonic? Like be serious! what do they get out of ME?
Yep. Nobody’s interested in “different perspectives” on any platform, but especially on what used to be Twitter.
You can’t debate with people who don’t understand “debate”.
There is no constructive discussion on X. They dont want that. I dont think most people are saying they should be closed off as to how others think but when all you do is attack and spew insults it does nowhere
🤣🤣🤣🤣 sure Jan
They think degrading comments is political banter. Block every single one of them. I don’t care what their opinion is of anything. Period
No one can stand to listen to the loud mouth nonsense? If they acted human at all….
I’m sure that guys is on Truth Social or whatever it’s called and only watches Fox. If he wants to preach about the echo chamber he should be talking to Trumps cult who only watch Fox. I left X because Elon’s agenda is clear and the algorithm is bananas.
It's not half the country! And I'm still not happy with the Dems focusing on stupid shit while time runs out to complain about irregularities in the election.
I agree
Yes, it's exactly what got us into this problem. Starting off with the tea party, probably earlier. Conservative fascist assholes congregating among themselves
And we know their perspectives. We’ve seen and heard enough… we don’t want anymore
They can engage here if they can manage to be respectful rather than hateful.
Yes. Stay and be pelted by trolls, bots and mindless zealots. Builds character. *smh*
Their vote for Don to have a second term tells me everything I need to know. I don't need to understand nuance or the shades of grey. They voted for Don. That's it. That's all I need to know. And if they didn't, then I also encourage them to ditch Twitter and come here. Twitter is for MAGA now.
"Debate"...
There's no way 50% of the country voted for Trump. Rigged.
He lost me at "engage in some debate" ... 🙄
Also don’t need to give Elon more revenue.
Wow the hubris. I KNOW who these people are and I KNOW what they want: I SPENT YEARS with them as a teenager coming up through the Evangelical movement, long ago, before it became truly militant. It is no mystery to me whatsoever how their God of love became their God of wrath.
No need a Russian asset to place his thumb on the scale. How about let them come here and have free and fair dialog without the interference?
We already know what those cry babies think. They hate everyone and everything.
Amen! Little if any profitable engagement to be had with the MAGA/bots on X. A complete waste of time. Talk to your neighbors, go to local meetings, etc. much more useful.
Why are these fucks so obsessed with where we want to go? We left because they artificially boosted right-wing propaganda and forced their views onto us, even after blocking them. It’s hilarious that when they do come here, they’re immediately banned for saying absolutely insane shit.
I don't think any of the "debates" I got into on Twitter were based on anything resembling intellect of any kind. It was just a bunch of idiots with strong opinions built on foundations of false information. It takes a special kind of teacher that can put up with special needs students constantly.
engage in debate on twitter? I'd sooner swim in a shit hole. same thing.
Most of us are perfectly willing to have rational discussions. It is the nasty hateful diatribes we won't put up with.
They sure as hell don't listen when we tell them how we feel.
When those “perspectives” are full of hate and completely immoral?? I’m good with not interacting with hate filled fks.
Someone check his bank account for a wire transfer from First Lady musk.
There are many ways in which we can argue. There are many topics to argue over. Racist and bigoted opinions are not worth engaging with, don't give them credibility. I left because I like intelligent debate, not trollish idiocy and owning the other party. Where is a solution in that mix? Detestable.
I don't need to subject myself to bullying by nazis to understand fascists.
They still think they are “half our country” 🙄🙄
I corrected Republicans before 2016. I started correcting Democrats on documented facts in 2016. From Democrats, I am met with "Well it ought to be true" and "Are you trying to start a fight?".
Plus we’ll still have all those NYT’s voters in diners stories to guide us.
I actually love my echo chambers. they’re safe and a lil sexy too
This guy likes to call Kamala a whore. I know she was not best or had the time to get it done properly. But fuck him.
And it’s not half. A lot of people didn’t vote that should have. Last time I checked we were a. Country of over 300M. Only 76M like that fucker
“Engage in debate”
Calling it now that Dean Phillips lurches to the right and starts working with the rapist in chief
Like that clown doesn't post shit on Truth Social.