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Aokoto🦋 @aokoto.bsky.social • NSFW | SFW artist 🔞 • Commissions are OPEN • Draw your OC! • 💌 dm | meiaelita@gmail.com • Commission info 🤍 https://aokoto.carrd.co/ • Patreon https://www.patreon.com/Aokoto • Twitter https://x.com/_aokoto?s=21&t=4OXIVbxAPVtkLlspMeysTA
Izumi @izumi-is-blah.bsky.social She/Her | I like to draw | Linktree: https://linktr.ee/izumi_is_blah Vgen: https://vgen.co/izumi-is-blah
KEIGI @keigi.bsky.social 〖 NSFW 〗✧〖 R18 〗 comms ⇒ https://discord.gg/khKUN5GdKM
Kelvindoes (COMMS OPEN) @kelvindoes.bsky.social 22, I do art! I like looking at art! Also on https://linktr.ee/doeshedoesart
Ultrabinou @ultrabinou.bsky.social NSFW Illustrator https://www.patreon.com/c/ultrabinou LINKS AND COMMISSION INFO. : https://ultrabinou.com/ VGEN : https://vgen.co/ultrabinou
🕯️Nise Loftsteinn 🏳️‍🌈| CM open! NOV waitlist @nise-loftsteinn.bsky.social She/he/they | +20 | ⛧△ The red bg artist & simp for my own characters 🏳️‍🌈🖤💜🤍 LGTBIQ+ Commission (Open!) info: https://nise-loftsteinn.carrd.co/ Closed species: @fennkind.bsky.social #ocsky #art #commission #fantasy #dragons #ferals
MAF @velnna.bsky.social comic creator • he/him • no reposting or referencing please • no AI 🚫 • check link for inquiries https://linktr.ee/m_maf_f
Amelion ✧ @amelion.bsky.social Artist, illustrator, graphic designer... ✎ She/her ENG & ESP • https://amelion.carrd.co/ • https://vgen.co/amelion •
noot 🐦 @nootsunday.bsky.social 2D (chaotic) artist - She/her - Random charadesigns/concept art + OCs + Fandoms content https://noot.carrd.co/ ☼commissions : vgen.co/nootsunday
GlentheFossa 🌲 Banned in all Red States + UK @glenthefossa.bsky.social Illustrator and GM and ttrpg stuff. 🔞 Nazis and Pepes can fuck right off. Mostly furry porn. https://www.patreon.com/c/glenthefossa He/him commission inquiries: DM or glenthefossa@pm.me
トモヨヒ@Skeb募集中 @mtomoyohi.bsky.social フリーイラストレーターですお仕事のご依頼は mtomoyohi@gmail.comから X：　https://x.com/M_tomoyohi Skeb： http://skeb.jp/@M_tomoyohi　 Pixiv：　https://www.pixiv.net/users/54642 私のイラストの無断転載利用禁止・AI学習禁止
Doce (commisions open) @docedg.bsky.social i draw i have other socials: https://twitter.com/Dgvr_ https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/15477572 https://www.tumblr.com/docedg discord: 12doce12 (mutuals from here or twitter only please)
A Bleak Artist @ableakartist.bsky.social Prim ★ He/him ★ Just an amateur artist and a professional old man.
Maylee @lmaylee.bsky.social 絵描きます! 依頼/Commission→ https://mayleeart.carrd.co (OPEN) プリント/Print→ https://lmaylee-shop.fourthwall.com Inquiries→ maylee.mkli@gmail.com
hale @kisaartdealer.bsky.social
Meme @aestheticc-meme.bsky.social 27 | Mega Milk Machine 🔞 | Professional Impostor | Comms: CLOSED Support me at: patreon.com/Aestheticc_Meme https://aestheticc-meme.fanbox.cc/
月わに @tukiwani.bsky.social お絵かき　するるん🎵
Eruca @eruca.bsky.social llustrator, Digital Artist I draw cute furry stuffs and sometimes something else uwu
くっくさん @qcks.bsky.social ⚠️Do not reupload or use my art for AI purposes 無断転載AI加工学習禁止趣味でファンアートとか描いてますブルースカイぼっちで心細すぎんか？
diana🩷 @pockicchi.com 🇰🇭🇨🇦 • she • oc/selfship artist 💖💜💙 • sometimes spicy🔥 married to kuroo 💍 Creator of Strawberry Spice on WEBTOON NSFW patreon🔞 http://patreon.com/pockicchi pockicchiart@gmail.com linktr.ee/pockicchi
Señor Grim @twistedgrim.com ⚠️🔞🔞🔞⚠️ 2D Digital Animator •2D Digital Animator • EN/SPA • Tools: Ipad/Huion/Csp/Ae/Procreate/Blender My Links https://linktr.ee/twistedgrim
PROJECTSOON @projectsoon.bsky.social Original Contortion drawing 【NABI FLEX】 https://patreon.com/c/nabipenciller We don't accept requests for paintings.
Triggerpigking (comms open) @triggerpigking.bsky.social Mostly lewd artist.🔞 Favorite series include Xenoblade/Sonic/Guilty Gear - Commissions Open - Discord: Triggerpigking -Email: Triggerpigking@protonmail.com -Shop: triggerpigking.bigcartel.com -SFW Shop: https://www.etsy.com/shop/Triggerpigart
Rogbie/Commissions open/🔞 @rogbie.bsky.social Furry artist 🎨
Kitsu🐶🌱🔞 COMMISSIONS OPEN @kitsukifluff.bsky.social NSFW art🔞 | all characters are adults & consent | support me on: http://patreon.com/KitsukiFluff 💓| tip jar for dog treats 🦴: https://ko-fi.com/kitsukifluff
Orange Dog @orangedog.bsky.social An artist, but I’m studying medical so posting will be very late :b https://linktr.ee/OrangeDogVN
Mama Raven @ravenemore.bsky.social Erotic artist and streamer🔞 31yo. They/Them PFP by @supreme-cheesecake.bsky.social Commissions --> https://vgen.co/ravenemore TWITCH : https://www.twitch.tv/raven_nemore Support ! www.patreon.com/ravenemore
Fuzzy @fuzzlogik.bsky.social :V https://linktr.ee/fuzzlogik
AzureAfterDark-Vgen Comms Open @azurensfw.bsky.social Comms Open https://vgen.co/studioazuren NSFW Spicy side to keep the main clean and friendly. 18+ No Minors
@bobcheez.bsky.social @bobcheez.bsky.social funny art 18+ only Commissions closed
✦ Miciomostro ✦ @miciomostro.bsky.social ✦ Micio, she/her, ITA/ENG ✦ NSFW, MDNI ✦ Comms OPEN ✦ carrd: https://miciomostro.carrd.co ✦ VGen (comms): https://vgen.co/Miciomostro ✦ TwitchTv: https://www.twitch.tv/miciomostro ✦ Icon by @ghoullls.bsky.social
LUXI (CLOSED) @luxidoro.bsky.social ♂️ I draw, not good, but it's honest work. 🔞| ✉️ DM for commission! - ⚫ Discord luxidoro (All characters are depicted as adults)
SPiNDLE @spindlesong.bsky.social i am a drawer / any pronouns / MDNI / sometimes drawing 🔞 // personal alt: @noctsilk.bsky.social // Fanart: #SpindleClub // Lore & Yaps: #SpindleLore // COMMS CLOSED - I don't know when I'll open them //
Stormwyrm Alt @alt.stormwyrm.org Alt account for @stormwyrm.org. Old genX pervert at 50歳. Commissioner of NSFW artwork, I'll post most of them here instead to keep the main account clean(er), and repost NSFW artwork I find I like.
ImsofckinLost @imsofckinlost.bsky.social
田名部 @tanabeai.bsky.social
Vanvain @vanvainya.bsky.social Digital Artist • 18+ Commissions open Price list → https://vanvain.carrd.co
かもあし @kamoashi.bsky.social お絵描き人間です連絡先▶︎kamoashi3@gmail.com X https://x.com/kamo_ashi_ pixiv https://www.pixiv.net/users/47249151 fanbox https://kamoashi.fanbox.cc/ skeb(ocのみ) https://skeb.jp/@kamo_ashi_ SKIMA(個人向け) https://skima.jp/profile?id=511143&sh=eHpyQPT 私の描いたイラストのAI学習は禁止です
郁那和なにろ🔞スケブ募集中！ @ikunawananiro.bsky.social エロ漫画家。ＤＬ同人描いてます。年上系、人妻、熟女、ラブラブエッチモノが好きです。時々ガルパン描きます。 http://sonpuushi.han-be.com https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/circle/profile/=/maker_id/RG34631.html https://www.dmm.co.jp/dc/doujin/-/list/=/article=maker/id=73424
ScruffyTurtles @scruffyturtles.bsky.social Multi fandom doodler guy, creator of the ACAU. Lots of interests, FGC, RPGs, you name it. https://scruffyturtles.carrd.co/ thecheesyturtle@hotmail.com (COMMISSIONS CLOSED)
とば @tobari18.bsky.social 帳だしざーだし D.Gray-manとKOFとか雑多。雑食。好きなもの描くだけ
ODDSNAIL @oddsnail.bsky.social weeb gamer who draws original characters / do not use my works for AI learning / https://linktr.ee/_oddsnail
Icy 🔞 @iseenudepeople.com NSFW Artist ✻ She/Her ✻ 18+ Only ✻ Neco Arc Enthusiast ✻ SFW account: @missicy.art Public 18+ server: discord.gg/iseenudepeople linktr.ee/missicyart
Robin's hut @robinshut.bsky.social An artist who likes to draw other people's characters and occasionally invent my own About comms, queue, discord and other - https://robinshut0.carrd.co/
Rgate @rgate.bsky.social Artist new to the Social sphere! Alternate arts🔞: http://x.com/RgateR18 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cw/RgateArt
videajames (on vacation - comms reopen 10/1) @videajames.bsky.social Read DOWNTOWN DUNGEON: OUR HERO IS MISSING! on Tapas or Webtoons TODAY! My commissions open frequently. Send me a DM if you have questions. https://linktr.ee/videajames
Kona @konaloid.bsky.social Gyaru and micro bikini enjoyer patreon.com/Konaloid01 vgen.co/Konaloid Socials: https://linktr.ee/konaloid
Zakusi (Commission Full) @zakusi.bsky.social I draw OC and Fanart 🔞 🔶Support me on : http://patreon.com/Zakusi 🔶https://linktr.ee/zakusi
stormriderqv @stormriderqv.bsky.social traditional/digital artist DM FOR COMMISSION or check my carrd for more info https://stormriderqv.carrd.co nsfw acc: @stormridernsfw.bsky.social
xuuikie @xuuikie.bsky.social Digital Artist Commission CLOSED patreon.com/xuuikie
Ray D. @reidesart.bsky.social Freelance Digital Artist
Shou @shou-illust.bsky.social
warble @radarwarble.bsky.social art cryptid writing VESPER ☀️| Generally SFW but intended for mature audiences 🔞. Comm info: vgen.co/radarwarble Buy me a Ko-fi: https://ko-fi.com/radarwarble Banner art by titanogoro Pfp by maxmushroom
Lemnus (Comms Open) @lemnusart.bsky.social art perhaps Kofi: https://ko-fi.com/lemnus NewGrounds: https://lemnus.newgrounds.com/ LinkTree: https://linktr.ee/lemnus
Inuki @ Eurofurence 30 yay @inukilovessteak.bsky.social just having this here as a backup sort of who knows :3 yes its really meee inukiiii (but my handle was already takennn) https://www.furaffinity.net/user/inuki https://acggoods.com/store/inus-merchbox
Jello 🥩 @jellomeat.bsky.social nsfw artist - gore, vore and more - chronically bad at posting https://www.furaffinity.net/user/jellomeat
benbeau @benbeau.bsky.social - #Art Bnnuy Vtuber - He/They - Weekly Art Possibly - Suggestive Content Probably - NO AI Twitch: twitch.tv/artbenbeau Other socials: artbenbeau.carrd.co
瑠璃ららこ🔞「転生淫魔王のハーレム育成」連載中 @rurirarako.bsky.social 転生淫魔王のハーレム育成連載中（作画担当） https://comic-walker.com/detail/KC_019048_S 18禁/NSFW／エロ漫画家インターネット乳盛族二次創作＝FG〇中心（cpピオぐだ♀）個人サイト：https://panoramabox-gallery.com/ リンクまとめ：https://lit.link/raratoybox
りょ @ryopppchuho.bsky.social https://twitter.com/ryopppchuho skeb→ http://skeb.jp/@ryopppchuho BOOTH ryopppchuho.booth.pm FANBOX www.fanbox.cc/@ryopppchuho
jere 🔞 @jsq012.bsky.social ITS ME YESS!!!! He/Him i draw SFW/NSFW art please be aware 🔞 https://allmylinks.com/jsq012
Aura @aurahack.ca artist + gamedev she/her・💍 @lena.fyi Vancouver, BC EN/FR/JP Art ➡ #myart Join my Sticker Club!! ➡ https://www.patreon.com/c/aurahack/membership 🎨 ➛ patreon.com/aurahack 👚 ➛ shop.aurahack.ca 📧 ➛ hello (at) aurahack.ca
メメ50 @meme50.bsky.social 生活。絵が描けます。写真は北海道の寿司🔞Comic artist . Don't AI learn my drawings. □ FANBOX■ http://meme50.fanbox.cc ■Ci-en□ https://ci-en.dlsite.com/creator/37095
Luci @purrlucii.bsky.social silly little artist that likes to draw cute anime girls! ^_^ pfp: Kaos_ArtGX ✿ patreon - patreon.com/Purrlucii ✿ shop - https://purrlucii.etsy.com ✿ streams - twitch.tv/purrlucii https://linktr.ee/purrlucii
🔞aussy r18🔞 @saucyaussy.bsky.social ausshawott's not-secret-anymore side acct for nsfw materials. minors dni. all characters depicted are intended age 18+
hacco @haccomayu.bsky.social 落書きします。投稿されているイラストの生成AI学習、転載、複製、利用を許可しません❌ skeb: https://skeb.jp/@hacco_mayu BOOTH: https://anthemnight.booth.pm/ マシュマロ: https://marshmallow-qa.com/hacco_mayu?t=pjRZG6&utm_medium=url_text&utm_source=promotion
Venus as a boy @venusboyart.bsky.social argentinian artist • nsfw 🔞 MINORS DO NOT INTERACT esp - eng he/him - 24 - taken disc - venusboyart#7498 https://artofvenus.carrd.co/ https://subscribestar.adult/venus-boy
Path🔞 @pathesisnsfw.bsky.social Path! 30/libra/bi/ She/her NSFW Artist & Audio DMS Open This is my NSFW art account! If you are looking for my SFW/Personal account find me here! https://bsky.app/profile/pathesis.bsky.social https://www.f-list.net/c/pathesis/
Puddingdraws 🍮 @puddingdraws-sfw.bsky.social Traditional artist! Posting new art as well as classics from the pudding vaults. Comms: https://vgen.co/puddingdraws AuDHD | 31 | any/all | 🇸🇪 | self taught No tracing or AI. Using my art as your PFP is OK!
Nyx 닉스 @nyx-rkgk.bsky.social Just doodling fanarts || KOR / ENG || Mainly Fire Emblem || X : @NyxRkgk
🔞 Critter Stew 🔞 (YCH comms - 2/2) @critterstew.bsky.social 🔞🔞🔞 I'm an artist with a passion for fantasy smut. I also like and post adult content, so minors keep out. 🔞🔞🔞 More Socials & Commission Details: critterstew.carrd.co Patreon: patreon.com/thecritterstew
Jester64🆖️✝️ (๑`^´๑) @jester64ng.bsky.social -Self-taught Artist/ Super Dyslexic- Newgrounds: https://jester64.newgrounds.com/ VGen: https://vgen.co/Jester64NG Community Discord: https://discord.gg/fDGShtwtcE Icon: @anoerstheawe.bsky.social Jester's Store: https://jester64ng.bigcartel.com/
天音るり🐰新刊委託中 @typentypen.bsky.social おねえさんキャラが大好きなイラストレーター✏️ たまに漫画も描きます 🔞あるので注意。RP多いですご依頼や仕事経歴はリットリンクへ X▶　https://x.com/typentypen Pixiv▶　https://www.pixiv.net/users/458887 リットリンク▶　https://lit.link/amaneruri
ShiroiYoru(白い夜) @shiroiyoru.bsky.social Pixiv: http://pixiv.net/users/26659796 X: https://x.com/shiroi_yoru0247 Subs(Uncensored): http://subscribestar.adult/shiroiyoru Fantia: http://fantia.jp/shiroiyoru Fanbox: http://shiroiyoru.fanbox.cc/
ねしあ @neshiabr.bsky.social イラストレーターです。 ◉ラノベ挿絵/Vtuber/TCGイラスト等　 ◉連絡先→ ✉️w.neshia3152049@gmail.com ◉Pixiv　https://www.pixiv.net/users/10848716 ◉ポートフォリオ　https://www.foriio.com/neshia-works ※イラストのAI学習は禁止しております。
bigmsaxon @bigmsaxon.bsky.social UK-based NZ-born artist drawing cyborgs, monsters, girls, and cyborg monster girls.
Sheephin (Commissions Open!) @sheepshin.bsky.social Illustrator and Character Designer from South America :3 Currently reading: Detective Conan Comm info: https://sheepshincommissions.carrd.co/ Portfolio: https://www.artstation.com/sheepshin
すこやかグミ @sukoyaka93.bsky.social 🔞全般すき絵描き。色々ありがとうございます！【X】 https://twitter.com/sukoyaka93 【pixiv】 https://www.pixiv.net/users/72507281 【FANBOX】 http://sukoyaka93.fanbox.cc 【Fantia】 https://fantia.jp/fanclubs/306753/posts 【HP(xforio)】 https://xfolio.jp/portfolio/sukoyaka93
ug @ug333333.bsky.social ゼノブレイド大好きマンのお絵描き場 xfolio xfolio.jp/portfolio/ug333333 skeb https://skeb.jp/@ug23390055 イラストの無断転載/AI学習禁止🚫
🔞Kyadeth🔞 @kyadeth.bsky.social 🔞 Commissions OPEN! | NSFW artist | she/her | Minors DNI! | NO AI 🚫 Commission me on Vgen: https://vgen.co/Kyadeth Support me on Patreon: http://patreon.com/Kyadeth or Ko-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/kyadeth More Links: https://kyadeth.carrd.co/
rk @ruka481.bsky.social 🔞 minors leave requests (open): https://odaibako.net/u/_ruka481 commissions (open): https://forms.gle/9JPUukpogX9dUYB19 pfp: @graveclown.bsky.social
waspsalad 🔞 @waspsalad.bsky.social NSFW warning, no minors! SFW acc: @waspsaladsfw.bsky.social furry artist, kobold fluffinator, bunny collector no commissions, sorry! alts, secret doodles, contests and stuff on Patreon: http://patreon.com/waspsalad other links: https://waspsalad.carrd.co
dethmaid @dethmaid.bsky.social I draw! NO AI
Cursed Atelier - VoidBound Early Access Out Now! @cursedatelier.bsky.social Developing VoidBound, a space faring sci-fi ero tactics RPG fusing both RPGM and VN elements! Patreon: http://patreon.com/Cursed_Atelier Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2500710/VoidBound/ Others: https://linktr.ee/CursedAtelier
Paper Lyn @paperlyn.bsky.social 🔞NSFW | 🇪🇨 | She/Her | 25 y/o | Just trying not to starve | Depressed girl Commissions open (5/5) https://www.patreon.com/Paper_Lyn https://linktr.ee/paper_lyn
Timkongart - comissions open DM or email me! @timkongart.bsky.social Freelance illustrator and concept artist. Prints Store: https://timkongart.etsy.com/ Commission guide: https://www.timkongart.com/commission email: Timkongart@gmail.com
JamoART - PLUSH CAMPAIGN LIVE NOW! @jamoart.bsky.social FREE DRESS-UP GAME ON STEAM: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3721180/DressUp_With_Helene_Deluxe/ Comics, Store, Patreon globalcomix.com/a/helene-hampt | https://ko-fi.com/H2H6GTZC/shop | patreon.com/JamoART Other links: linktr.ee/JamoART
infinote @infinote.bsky.social 絵描きです ◎Twitter(X)： https://x.com/infinote ●Pixiv： http://pixiv.me/infinote ▲FANBOX： http://infinote.fanbox.cc ▲Fantia： http://fantia.jp/fanclubs/104719 ▲BOOTH： https://infinote.booth.pm
青刃-ABSB- @abs17.bsky.social ここが現在の活動拠点です。【X】 https://x.com/ABS17R18 【ニジエ】 https://nijie.info/members.php?id=12161 【その他】 https://lit.link/abs17
アヤモ(ayamo) 🦋🔞 @lustercloud.bsky.social 眼鏡とふとももとチャイナが主食の壊社員SEGAおじさんこっちは線引ききちんとしてればおすけべセーフティな感じなので苦手な方は自衛おねがいします。 \今度はギリギリ攻めるね!!/ RP多くてごめんね (Translated by deepL) /三国志大戦.英傑大戦©SEGA/ twitter.com/k_ayamo skeb.jp/@k_ayamo xfolio.jp/portfolio/lustercloud 当アカウントの画像の転載/学習/利用の一切を禁止します/No GenAI/
Squarks @squarks.bsky.social ~NSFW / Pinup / Comic Artist 🔞 (all characters are 18+) ~Commissions info: https://squarks.carrd.co/ ~VGen: https://vgen.co/squarks ~My Tip Jar❤️: http://ko-fi.com/squarks32784
Alivion | 🔞 🐾COMMISSIONS ARE OPEN @aliviona.bsky.social 🪅NSFW🪅My comms are open, DM me! Discord - aliviona | Telegram - https://t.me/alivionaaaaa ✍️ MY SOCIAL NETWORKS, TOS AND CONTACT ME - https://aliviona.carrd.co 🎀 PATREON 🎀 patreon.com/aliviona
🔞SutaMasque ✧ Comms OPEN🔞 @sutamasque.bsky.social 30 | she/her | ADHD haver | Furry 🚫No AI🚫 |❗MINORS DNI❗ Discord @sutamasque 🐾FA🐾 furaffinity.net/user/giaru 🎨Comm Info🎨 sutamasque.carrd.co 🇵Patreon🇵 patreon.com/sutamasque 👾Server👾 discord.gg/g4tpQXkdPK ☕Tips☕ ko-fi.com/sutamasque #art | #furryart
しの @shino037.bsky.social カドカワBOOKS、電撃の新文芸、GCN文庫等で挿画担当させて頂いてます。ノベル挿画、ゲーム等イラストのお仕事募集中。ご相談はメールアドレスへお願いします【sino012non@gmail.com】 X▶︎@ONMO37 skeb▶︎http://skeb.jp/@ONMO37 FANBOX▶︎https://s39r2fsq.fanbox.cc/
ʙʟᴜᴇᴛʜᴇʙᴏɴᴇ🔞 @bluethebone.bsky.social ♀️🔞 cute nsfw anime artist / animator ❌NO COMMISSIONS❌ ⏩early access/uncensored/alt sets: http://patreon.com/bluethebone
TrueRef by Abbey Esparza @trueref.bsky.social A community project delivering you new pose reference packs monthly. Both free & premium! ⦿ Learn More: trueref.io ⦿ Follow Us: www.instagram.com/trueref.io ⦿ All refs are fully clothed. ⦿ All posted refs are free to use.
甲斐ゆうき @kaiyuuki.bsky.social I be drawin. OC’s and fanart🎨｜ゆるゆる～とお絵描きしています。 pixiv https://www.pixiv.net/users/365932
ふわチーズ🧀 @fadingz.bsky.social イラストレーターです🎨 | 日本語・English(🇮🇪/🇺🇸)・中文(台) | http://skeb.jp/@FadingzZ | https://www.pixiv.net/users/27318346 | https://twitter.com/FadingzZ | お仕事のご相談はDMでお願いします | 禁🚫NO REUSE/NO AI🚫禁 | Senior Software Engineer @ Microsoft. Posts are my own
セバ 🔞 @sebakanken.bsky.social Illustrator | Don't use my works for AI | Commissions Open| Contact: Ryougi.ayato@gmail.com Vgen: https://vgen.co/Sebakanken Pixiv: Pixiv.me/sebakanken X: https://x.com/sebakanken
Ralek @ralek.art NSFW/18+ Male, Animator/Artist. ⚠️ Occasional WS/noncon/gore. ⚠️ Merch: https://ralware.com Archive/Main site: https://ralek.art/
TLEN BOROWSKI @tlen.bsky.social TRADITIONAL ARTIST 18+// Dino arts, anthro, pony // Female //Do not use my art or characters for AI // DISCORD (for comms etc) - tlen_borowski / TLEN#1799 (old)