zip @zipthefox.bsky.social He/Him - Age: 18+ - Gay - Artist - Fox - Funny animal enthusiast - BLM
BorkingBorks.bsky.social @borkingborks.bsky.social Professional Procrastinator | I like Stuff FR | G+ vet | Yeens are rad ๐ฅ
Softbeef @softbeef.bsky.social Drawing.
Links: https://softbeef.carrd.co/
whitewoodawake @whitewoodinsleep.bsky.social tumblr๏ผwhitewoodinsleep
x๏ผ@teachmedraw
Polar Pop @polarpop.bsky.social He/Him, 41, Burr, NSFW 18+, Mostly here to like lots of art. Repost lost of NSFW :P Minors begone. TY :P
Various Socials:
https://linktr.ee/the_polar_pop
Lizard Pushing Buttons @lizardblog.bsky.social hi im lizard! :D
big video game fan and aspiring journalist
check out my blog: https://lizardpushingbuttons.bearblog.dev
Alex Taniciel @alextaniciel.bsky.social ๐ง๐ท Character/Prop Designer, Animation Lover, Beginner in Blender
๐ง: alextaniciel@gmail.com
Commission info: http://alextaniciel.carrd.co (Close for update)
Form: https://forms.gle/xYM4RvTdNhgvjYKw5 (Closed)
Contact: alextaniciel@gmail.com
ARCdraws @arcdraws.bsky.social Hello, this is ARC! I draw Pokemon fanart/ he, him/ ๐จ๐ณ, ไธญๆ/ I also animate
The Snoot Collective @thesnootcollective.bsky.social We are The Snoot Collective; we collect snoots.
See us in VRChat. (SNOOTS.2123)
๐ KURORAK @kurorak.com ๐ WILL [RE]POST NSFW, MINORS DNI (i'm 25+ y/o)
๐ https://kurorak.com
๐ฃ does music & art for rhythm games, i guess??
โ๏ธ hi@kurorak.com or XMPP: kuro@kupo.im
๐ท๏ธ #kurorhythm | #kurorart
๐OphariaArt๐ Comโs open @opharia.bsky.social Welcome On my page โค๏ธ
Kofi: https://ko-fi.com/ophariaart
Im Comics Illustrator Freelance.
๐ฎ Frenchie girl
๐ฎLevel 30
๐ฎLove Horses and Plants
โจ Hope you like itโจ
Kerpฤ! @kerpe.bsky.social Lithuanian Artschool drop-out || Europoor || Ker-Pei || 26
STORE: crechure.com
COMMS: http://kerpe.carrd.co
Art telegram: http://t.me/kerpeart
Furaffinity: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/kerpesamana
Stream: twitch.tv/kerpesamana
Pfp FOLIELOADED
Percy! ๐พ ๐ MFF @diledog.art He/Him โข 30 ๐ @magicmudcat.com ๐ โข SFW/NSFW ๐ โข dungeon master โข storyteller โข chaotic stupid โข part time croc dog ๐๐ im always tired
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pfp:โช sheldonzilla
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https://ko-fi.com/diledog
All NSFW is taggedโจ
Charu (NightStar) @charustar.bsky.social ๐I'm a furry artist
๐Age 39
๐Mid-Atlantic area USA
๐Happily taken
๐Female (she/her)
๐VRChat user
โNo RPโ
https://charustarlinks.carrd.co/
Azure ๐ ASC @awfulfeline.com 26 | They/He | Cat; Painter of Pictures | ฮฮ | awfulfeline.com | TG/Disc: @azurethecat | ๐
Socks the Macro Wolf Dad @socksthewolf.com An American Werewolf in Seattle. Game dev! Part time Twitch Partner & VFur!, full time buff nerd. Not like the other wolves ๐บ. I enjoy games ๐ฎ, gym ๐ช, tech ๐ป, and full moons ๐. 18+
Stream: wolf.stream
Socials/Contact: socksthewolf.com
Art: wolf.stream/art
cloveruu @cloveruu.bsky.social she/her / high-funct autism & anxiety / VR / artist / goofy halloween dragon tiktoker / this is a safe place for everyone!
Rilin ๐ง @rilinfluff.bsky.social ๐ญ In your pantry, nibbling your Reeses cereal
Icon: @marandart.bsky.social
Banner: Gehirnlie (FA)
๐ furaffinity.net/user/rilin
โ deviantart.com/rilinfluff
๐ด twitch.tv/rilinfluff
My Art: #art #myart
31๐งMarried @neo-fluff.bsky.social๐She/Her๐พMouse๐จArtist
HONEYMOSS @honeymoss.art ๐ Moss โฌฆ Part-time Artist โฌฆ 23 โฌฆ he / they ๐ Alt: @mosshoney.bsky.social
๐ง COMMS โ https://vgen.co/honeymoss
๐ง SITE โ https://honeymoss.art
๐ง STORE โ https://honeymoss-shop.fourthwall.com
๐ง KOFI โ https://ko-fi.com/honeymoss
comms (mostly) on haitus
ScootNewt @scootnewt.bsky.social What's poppin my furry's!
I got this box stuck on my head please call 911 this isnt a joke, I cant eat or breath correctly in this I might die soon
Swatchpad ๐ฏ @swatchpad.bsky.social Call me Swatch!
He/They, 25
Im an Illustrator and I like to do character designs and studies,
opinions are my own! ๐ณ๏ธโ๐โ๏ธ
Rice @arrozarrozarroz.bsky.social Trying to believe
๐จ๐ฑ
Animation student
Dookdae ๐ฆก @nookdae.bsky.social ๅๅๅคงๅฎถๅฅฝ๏ผๆๆฏไธ้ปๅญธ็ซ็ซ็็ผ | ๅฑฌๅ
| ใใใๅฐ้ฆฌ้ด่ฏ
I draw bara and cartoony animals | 18+ | Bay Area
I'm just a small potato
https://www.furaffinity.net/user/nookdae
https://blento.app/nookdae.bsky.social
Crabbosk @ HaloFest @crabbosk.bsky.social Call me Ryan or Crab.
male / 1999
3D artist + Illustrator
Iโm the Chai โLatte elite guy.
Horses, Halo, Star Trek, more.
parse ๐ anthro socal #d10 @parsenoire.com ๐ต๐ญ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ โข 30s โข he/him โข border collie
furry game dev & top dog @animalworkshop.co
๐ถ๐ cargo space https://awks.co/patreon
๐จ๐ rocketpult mini https://play.date/g/rtptm
๐ฆ9๏ธโฃ previously @jackboxgames.com
pfp: doginacafe
bg: kasettetape
๐ https://parsenoire.com
Cider๐โ๏ธ๐ @cidermarten.bsky.social A library-loving marten! He/Him - Over 30
I read stories and play games on Twitch!
(I also sometimes write and make music!)
https://www.twitch.tv/cidermarten
Icon by notsofinest, banner by Wulfiao
Normally SFW, but please ๐
Ethan M. Aldridge @ethanmaldridge.bsky.social ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ Bestselling author and illustrator. Creator of the Deephaven Mystery series, the ESTRANGED duology, THE PALE QUEEN, THE LEGEND OF BRIGHTBLADE, and more.
Linktr.ee/ethanmaldridge
Ganii @ganii.bsky.social resident bearcat. sfw. 22.
https://ko-fi.com/ganii/commissions
https://www.patreon.com/cw/Ganii
Ekzonzz @ekzonzz.bsky.social NSFW ACCOUNT +18 ONLY
SFW ACCOUNT: @Ekzonzzzz on twitter
COMMS CLOSED. shorturl.at/f90Wz
http://linktr.ee/ekzonzz my other social accounts
patreon.com/Ekzonzz
Pare ๐ @paregatto.bsky.social artist | he/him 22 | ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ | echo brainrot | pfp by @ozzyishere3.bsky.social
Heath @bearwithstache.bsky.social adults only
/ computer clicker
/ ru translator @furality.org
Diego (commission open 4/5) @infernaldiego.bsky.social Forever alone irl
Pfp by: adamante
My twt: https://x.com/InfernalMight?t=Mwek3WEiRWIxDSIh4r1dPg&s=09
21|๐ฎ๐ฉ|sfw artist (might be lil suggestive)|๐๐๐
Frank ๐ฅ @frankfolf.bsky.social Artist ๐๏ธ|Musician and composer ๐ถ| Fighter ๐ฅ|๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ฎ๐น| SFW-suggestive |28| He/Him
Check out my Patreon!
https://www.patreon.com/c/TheFolfsCanvas
Fiore @fiorepanda.bsky.social 23 | he/they | furry artist, writer | banner by @buttscord.bsky.social | alt @fioreatlas.bsky.social
CausticBotanist @causticbotanist.bsky.social 35th. He/Him. Gay botanist whom enjoys plante. Mmm. Plante
PFP by FizzyJay
Header by nature
18+ only
Slaix @slaix223.bsky.social Just an average furry on the internet. Loves video games and the like, so expect me to talk about such things here.
Key the Buizel @keybladewarhero11.bsky.social 28 he/him I stream and do art sometimes! Check out my streams at https://www.twitch.tv/keybladewarhero11
Roarin' Falco @falco.works Just a cryptid with a pencil from the Midwest US
๐ฝ they/he - queer ๐
linktr.ee/falcoworks
HUGO ร MNGO ๐ฅญ @hugostripes.bsky.social 28 | ๐ง โ hugostripes@gmail.com |
he/him | Mature Variety Streamer โ ๐ No minors.
I'm a low-poly streamer (on hiatus) that runs a fictional barcade & screams far too much!
Xander @xanderhworks.bsky.social Very tired furry who makes art and rambles about video games. ๐
27
๐ณ๏ธโ๐
He/Him
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/alstar_hworks
FA: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/hw358
Header image by emdeejaydraws.tumblr.com
PFP by @cobalt2112.bsky.social
Ursa Starsong @lastursa.com 41 | He/Him | Gay๐ณ๏ธโ๐|
Musician/Content Creator ๐ป๐บโจ๐ต
http://lastursa.com
๐งต: @fursuitparade.bsky.social / @sworntosecret.bsky.social
๐ท for Banner: @lunhaku.bsky.social
๐จ for PFP: @skybluearts.bsky.social
Booce @catratsoup.bsky.social verified resident furry hotline #280
player of deadlock, guilty gear strive, uni2, and slay the spire 2 currently
they/them, 23
Toony ๐ญ | Commissions OPEN! @tontontoonayan.bsky.social ๐ฆ He/They โข 23 โข SFW โข I Do Art & Pixelart ๐พ
โโ Multifandom โโ
โ๏ธ ArtChannel โฃ t.me/toonysgarage
๐ฌ DM's โฃ t.me/Tonton_toonayan
linktr.ee/tonton_toonayan
izzy ๐ธ @donkey.gay just a whimsical lil cowboy ๐ฅน๐ธ
๐ he/him/cowboy/horsegirl
๐ 27 โ๏ธ โข ๐ต๐ญ๐บ๐ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ โข ๐ suggestive (n)sfw
๐ part-time artist, full-time disaster
๐ฆฌ happily smooching an adorabull moo ๐ฎ๐ค
๐ no minors, no AI ๐ก
๐ minneapolis
Gracieos! Ych comms! @gracieos.bsky.social ๐ซHowdy! ๐ซ
Iโm Gracie/Georgie (he/she), Arab-Chicano+ boygirl butch bear ๐ต๐ธ๐ฒ๐ฝ
๐ @dustyhyena.bsky.social ๐๐ณ๏ธโ๐
I love comments!
๐๐ป๐ฅญ๐๐๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ
Currently: DELTARUNE, sonic, mario, furriesโผ๏ธ
Shop plushies and stickersโคต๏ธ
https://ko-fi.com/gracieos/shop
Plum @ploommy.bsky.social I'm an artist! I draw, I LOVE comics
29 gay / gray-ace
https://twitter.com/ploommy
https://linktr.ee/ploommy
Erdamon๐๐๐๐AnV 2027 @erdamon.hoot.gay He/They, late 20s
I make stuff sometimes but mostly just wanna get up to silly shenanigans as an internet owl!! (Generally SFW, 18+ still)
I speak English, Polish and French
PFP: @softbirbmlem.bsky.social
Banner: @kofeeo.bsky.social
Lunar ๐ฆ @lunarbuho.bsky.social Artist/Twitch Partner
18+ ONLY - ๐
He/Him - 31 - ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ฆ
Business Email: lunarbuho@gmail.com
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lunarbuho
Rhyokka @rhyokka.bsky.social I am bad at social media-ing. I do pixel art though :D
Puchothecat @puchothecat.bsky.social 23 | ๐ต๐ช Cat Raccoon| Artist
telegram: https://t.me/Puchothecat
FA: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/puchothecat
https://ko-fi.com/puchothecat
David Toons @davidtoonsyt.com Lucario/Husky animator | Animator for Ice Cream Sandwich & Clean Up Animator at Helluva Boss | Half of @aura-storm.bsky.social | Prev: Dad's House S1 & The Legend of Aang
@CrimsonFoxxo โค๏ธ
https://linktr.ee/DavidToons
๐ง - David@DavidToonsYT.com
Hoshiisama @hoshiihyena.bsky.social Dumbass Artist who draws stuff~
SFW & NSFW ๐ | ๐ต๐ญ๐ป๐ณ๐บ๐ธ |
Discord: https://discord.gg/YxBenejvpJ
Twitter: https://twitter.com/HoshiisanHyena
๐๐พ๐ต๐ต๐๐ฎ๐ช๐ป @bullbear.bsky.social Hi, I like to draw, animate, Minecraft and memes, hope to see ya around
| 24 | He/They | ES/EN
Kardamon ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ @kardamon.bsky.social ๐๐ค๐ค
Green yeen, gay, aro, he/it nb
Illustrator and designer
NSFW ๐
Very normal about Paul Frackson TSR
Profile picture by @golly-gaggle.bsky.social
The Bottom Dweller @thebottomdweller.bsky.social Internet Funny Man.
Check my channel out, or Don't! I'm not your mom.
https://www.youtube.com/@therealbottomdweller
#gaming #animator #youtube
SpeedBuiz ๐ฆฆ Otter Control~!! @speedbuiz.bsky.social Pro 3D Artist for VRChat & Super Unity Animator-Logic Idiot
Makes Critters & Pokemon!
FSU Alumni
| She/Her, Bui/Zel |
https://discord.gg/kYX4J6H9GM
1AMWolfram @1amwolfram.bsky.social 20 || She/They/It || Commissions are OPEN
Mould Eater | Horror Commentary Channel
Fanart: #1AMFnart or #FungaloidArt (or just @ me)
Feel free to use my art for PFPs, Banners etc. with credit :D
Find me elsewhere: https://1amwolfram.neocities.org
Lectro @lectroart.bsky.social They/Them | 21 | Gay/Aego | always in bunny mode | i mostly draw furry stuff | please dont reupload my art without permission
Other socials and art showcase: https://lectroart.carrd.co
Jos! @josnoir.bsky.social Game Developer who draws sometimes! 29.
Feel Free to shoot me a DM for commissions even if it doesn't seem like I'm open, most likely I will be.
josnoir.itch.io
PFP by: @Greenderg.bsky.social
Cryptid Crush @cryptidcrush.com Welcome folk heroes! We're currently developing the TTRPG inspired Monster Visual Novel / Dating Sim Cryptid Crush!
Check us out at: https://www.cryptidcrush.com/
โ ๐๐ข๐๐ ๐ โ @syno.bsky.social 24 โ she/her โ artist โ sonic/mlp/furry
VeenanNorvius โง Low Poly Avatar Creator โง [Commissions Open] @veenannorvius.bsky.social โง LowPoly Yeen Streamer โง LowPoly 3d Modeler โง VRC/Vtuber Avi Creator โง 26 โง ๐ณโ๐ โง He-Him โง
โง Twitch: Twitch.tv/veenannorvius โง
โง Commissions: https://vgen.co/VeenanNorvius โง
โง Avis: https://veenannorvius.gumroad.com/ โง
โงPFP By: โช@moontikore.bsky.socialโฌ โง
Photographotter @photographotter.bsky.social Long man
read my book! It's free and it's really good! No bias I swear!
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/139445/
Noel~โจ๐ฒ @vrnoel.bsky.social โจ Shapeshifter Kaiju | He/They | LVL 32| Eurasian ๐ซ๐ฎ/๐น๐ญ | Gay Demi
โจ VR Photographer | 18+ NSFW TAGGED | MDNI
โจ Furality Event Coordinator | Opinions and Views are my own
โจ twitch.tv/VR_Noel
โจ #NoelSFW #NoelYap #ArtNoeleau - Please mute to hide!
Bucker Fuskyote @mooglepower.bsky.social 40 y/o coyote/husky hybrid. Furry singer, musician, arranger, composer. I spend most of my time making music and performing in VRChat. latro ergo sum. Southern California. he/him. 18+ only. Dogsband @glemahund.bsky.social
https://linktr.ee/fuskyote
Masikerin @masikerin.bsky.social He/him. The lucky card kobold. Always wearing a poncho! A 25 y/o artist, always looking forward to improve and learn new things. Friends are really important to me, like, A LOT. (Also a very quiet creature!)
https://linktr.ee/Masikerin
๐ Doctor Miawoo ๐ @doctormiawoo.bsky.social Vector Furry Artist - Retroachievement Enjoyer - 30 ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐
He/Him/She/Her . Pan ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
SometSketch @somet.mov Game Dev || 26 || He/Him ||
Probably looking for my drawing glove
somet.mov
RadiumDesu ๐ฆ ๐ ASC @deerfriend.live ๐ณ Singer / VTuber / Twitch Streamer / Voice Actor ๐ฒ
๐ฟ ๐18+Only, SFW account ๐๏ธ
๐ณ any pronouns, gay, polyam๐ณ
๐ฒ 32 yo ๐ณ
๐ฒpfp by @cafurccino.bsky.social ๐ฟ
๐ฑ https://radium.gay โบ
snuffles @snuffles.bsky.social 23M / dragon๐ฒ / just a musician furry and artist / loving fursuits on the tl
๐ฝ New song out now for you guys! https://shorturl.at/yEuoC
๐น๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐๐๐๐
~Jackson~ @jacksonthedogge.bsky.social *All Pronouns ๐๐๐ฅบ* *comms artist* *comms/trades open*21 *ADHD* *social anxiety*๐๐๐ฅบ*0/4 slots* https://jacksonthedogge.carrd.co/#*vrc retextures*
Leck @leck.bsky.social He/They | 22 | ๐ Sometimes NSFW, minors begone
Commissions Open!
Kaskozhuk @kaskozhuk.bsky.social PNG Tuber // Centipede // Bug Guy
https://www.youtube.com/@kaskozhuk4158
PfP by StarburstKiwi
Dungeon Reed @ Commissions Open! @bariumfox.bsky.social ๐ง๐ท/ Digital Artist / 28yo / He-They / PTBR - ENG / SFW but mild suggestive sometimes
Telegram Channel: https://t.me/bariumfoxC
Zera @genowhirl.bsky.social The bat in your belfry
3D animator - scrungle.co
29, He/Him
https://zeramations.carrd.co/
โญ Bobateabandit โญ @bobateabandit.bsky.social Anthro Artist || Ferret || 30 || UK Based
COMMISSIONS CLOSED
= bobateabandit.carrd.co =
= https://t.me/BobateaBanditsDen =
For business enquiries email BobateaBandit@gmail.com
#furry
โจmikeโจ @mikecatsu.bsky.social He/Him | Storyboard Artist @ Disney TVA | My views are my own!
N1 (Cryptid Raccoon era) @n1myr.bsky.social ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ 30 years. He/Him. Spanish. Dragon. +18. There's not much to tell about me. Unless... you find out something different?
lenny @lennguine.bsky.social ๐พ
Domalomn @domalomn.bsky.social (He/They)(26) Project Manager & Programmer
For Cryptids: https://www.cryptidcrush.com/
For RPGs: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3572420/CreatorRPG/?beta=0
Banner: @samoncassette.bsky.social
Icon: @cardsoface.bsky.social
CreatorRPG is on Steam @creatorrpg.bsky.social Check us out on Steam!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3572420/CreatorRPG/?beta=0
Buff Buck @buffbuck.bsky.social Unemployed Game Programmer/Developer โข Art Hobbyist โข He/Him โข 30 โข Gay Ace โข TF lover โข Wannabe Werewolf โข Amateur Muscle Grower โข 18+ โข Responds to DMs โข Creator of Moonlit VN
โฅ๏ธ๐ป @lumdumgum.bsky.social
โค๏ธ๐ @zekidragon.bsky.social
โ
ACEโ
@cardsoface.bsky.social Mediocre artist from the other site
Icon & Banner by toto โญ๏ธ
TheHogInALog โก๏ธ Furry Migration @thehoginalog.bsky.social ๐ฆ THE hedgehog furry ๐ฆ
๐๐ฆBee | 25 | Nonbinary | Any pronouns | White | MN Furry that makes art and streams on twitch! I also coloring pages and bases sometimes ๐ฆ๐
https://thehoginalog.carrd.co/
๐ซDNI zoos, pedos, or proship๐ซ
Moonlight Castle VN @moonlightcastle.bsky.social Moonlight Castle is a FVN playable for free on http://keykoz.itch.io/moonlight-castle NSFW WARNING!
Patreon -> https://www.patreon.com/MoonlightCastle
Discord -> https://discord.com/invite/XyNf7NCywM
Ryan @hashburrowns.bsky.social 33 Bear artist. Will draw for food. ๐ต๐ญ๐
pfp: guavanzo.bsky.social
banner: bearwivme.bsky.social
https://ko-fi.com/hashburrowns
๐ฒMateito๐ Closed Coms @fr4narts.bsky.social 24 | Suggestive and sometimes NSFW ๐ | ๐ฎ๐| I hate summer | Amicus SIMPโค๐บ dergs ๐ฒ๐ GlamFreddyโค๐ป
Commission queue: https://trello.com/b/8Gx1h5Gw/commission-queue
linktr.ee/fr4n_arts
@akilaywilliams.bsky.social @akilaywilliams.bsky.social 
๐ Nick Shutter ๐ฆ @nickshutter.bsky.social ๐ || he/him || 32 || Bat monster, furry/horror/porn/abstract artist, ambient/noise/dungeon synth producer, game dev, pngtuber, leftist. All made with โค.
Elsewhere: https://nickshutter.carrd.co/
See also: @apparent-abstrctns.bsky.social
Doko (Comms. open!) @dokotroopi.bsky.social Occasional illustrator, as seen on Tumblr and Twitter!
๐ maggie may @marms.art โจthey/them, 24
๐ฉท illustrator and comics guy
๐ community/operations for gsg
๐ atlanta ga
marms.art
Torigroso @torigroso.bsky.social (He/Him) โ | Lvl 26 | โ | Bear/Tiger/Bull Hybrid ๐ป๐ฏ๐ | Demisexual ๐ณโ๐ | Gaymer ๐ฎ | ๐ฎ Esp & ๐ Eng | PFP: @KumaGRIZZLY1| Banner: @ConnerTheShiba
Gabee @gabebunton.bsky.social He Him | 22 | Black | comic artist, animator, cool dude ๐ 
Andy โญ๏ธ Shop Update 8/24 @flabbermouse.bsky.social โฉ atl based illustrator & punch needle artist :โข]
โ next con: SJ Made Illo Mart
โ online shop open soon! โฌ๏ธ
https://flabbermouse.etsy.com
Yiboeebow @yibozone.bsky.social All about Furry Stuffs lol
Fengrove @fengroveart.bsky.social Fenrin โฆ She/They
โฐ Furry and Multifandom Artist
โฐ Caine Enthusiast
โฐ I draw whatever the brainworms tell me to
TeaLBiTZ @tealbitz.bsky.social Floofy ott that boolies cubes in a kitchen appliance โป๏ธ
27 - He/They - Taken (open) ๐ฆ๐๐ฆฆ
2D Comms: โญ ยฆยฆ 3D Comms: ๐ | ๐ท: @cas.blast
SFW art but still 18+/ no minors please
Comms/ Support me
https://www.tealbitz.art
https://ko-fi.com/tealbitz
SpaceRakoon @spacerakoon.bsky.social 2D/3D Animator & Illustrator ๐จ๐ฑ Im 22
I like Furry stuff and drawing that stuff